Re: *round and round they go, where they stop..?
 

Thank You, you aree soooo illustrating my point..by your erroneous interpretation of what I meant when I said what I said, :bored:
Right now my pillow looks a lot more inviting than this topic/forum., I'm sure I wont' be missed. :bedtime

Re: *round and round they go, where they stop..?
 

Uh....I interpreted nothing. I was agreeing with you. :gotcha

Re: *round and round they go, where they stop..?
 

:blah :blah
Yeah right!

Re: Can Women Pastor ?
 

So you say preaching is defined as:


1. to be a herald, to officiate as a herald
a. to proclaim after the manner of a herald
b. always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed
2. to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done
3. used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers

Looks to me as if you got this from Websters etc. the problem is, and this is what I am trying to get accross we can't use western definitons and customs to properly understand the word of God. This is why we get into trouble. The word preach or preacher in the NT simply means:
G2784
κηρύσσω
kērussō
kay-roos'-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.

G2783
κήρυξ
kērux
kay'-roox
From G2784; a herald, that is, of divine truth (especially of the gospel): - preacher.

your definition part 1 b always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed
has nothing to do with the biblical preacher. Where do you get in bible that a preacher must have authority and must be listened to and obeyed?

Who is the head of the church? The pastor? not so. Christ is the head of the church.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Where is the so call pastor, preacher in these verses? He is not there because saved family's make up the church, with Christ as the head over the husband which them composes the rest of the family. God did not give the church to the pastor/sheppard because for one, the pastor only makes up one small part of the ministry.

And then God gave the ministry to the church.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the equiping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: nkjv

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Here is one last thought this thread is all about pastors and if women can or cannot pastor, yet where do we even get the position and definiton of a pastor from NT scripture that describes the pastor of a church in our day and time? Even the word Pastor is only used once in the NT and for that matter only used 8 times in OT and that in Jerimiah. As I see it we have tried to take multiple ministry's that God intended to be in the church and rolled into one person and made him a dictator at that, and called him a pastor at that, which we only find the word once in NT writtings. Now don't you think your arguing a moot point?

Re: Esther.............
 

And don't forget you also said: "I honestly fear for women preachers in eternity.....seriously. "

The early church had church in their homes. I would think you knew that!

I know you have blinders on and refuse to see what the Word says. Priscilla was a woman, Pricilla taught the Word to the "church". Whether you want to say she preached or taught or if there was a difference, matters not to me. The fact is she did it!

You asked for biblical proof and I gave it to you.

Re: Can Women Pastor ?
 

No, I got it from www.crosswalk.com, and I believe that although they use Strong's numbers, I think it's Vine's translation or definitions.

Re: Can Women Pastor ?
 

Ill check that out thanks, I still contend that 1 b. is western mentality and not bible definition.

Re: Can Women Pastor ?
 

Strong's definition of preach is - to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.

Re: Can Women Pastor ?
 

It could be, but from the examples in scripture, I see it applied.

Re: Can Women Pastor ?
 

Ah here is where I ask.... Let me word this right so I am not misunderstood. Where in the scripture do you find the example that when someone preached that they had to be obeyed because of the office of "preacher" was held by said person. Does that make since?