Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1575225)

This is a very complicated issue. I have close friends that I have much respect for, that are pretty liberal. They are liberal for the right reasons.

On the other hand, I am pretty solidly conservative. Both positions can be supported by scripture in certain instances, depending on the subject. For instance...
Capital punishment would be considered a conservative tenet by the majority of people. It is certainly supported by scripture. On the other hand, support for the poor and disadvantaged would be considered by most to be a liberal agenda. It also has much support found in scripture. So it is not the dichotomy that we like to believe it is.

For me however, the division occurs with abortion. I can’t support taking the life of “the least of these”. So I vote accordingly. But I am under no misguided belief that my vote is a perfect expression of my Christian principles. I merely attempt to do the best I can. Until I am offered a better choice.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1575227)

Generally I would like to add that it is my opinion that Democrats are moving towards socialism. I think a lot of Democrats are creatures of habit, much like most of us. They vote Democrat out of habit. Meanwhile the party has abandoned them, but they make excuses for the party and believe that it is a temporary shift.

I think conservatives do the same. We shouldn’t excuse the shortcomings of our party. Trump tells a lot of lies. I don’t like it, but the facts are pretty clear. So I vote for a liar. Because I don’t want to vote for abortion. But I don’t pretend that it is a perfect choice.

I could have the attitude that since Trump has faults, that I will not vote at all, but somehow this seems to be an even worse choice.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1575241)

Needless wars, such as the war in Iraq, have nothing to do with self defense.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1575241)

Needless wars, such as the war in Iraq, have nothing to do with self defense.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1575225)

This is a very complicated issue. I have close friends that I have much respect for, that are pretty liberal. They are liberal for the right reasons.

On the other hand, I am pretty solidly conservative. Both positions can be supported by scripture in certain instances, depending on the subject. For instance...
Capital punishment would be considered a conservative tenet by the majority of people. It is certainly supported by scripture. On the other hand, support for the poor and disadvantaged would be considered by most to be a liberal agenda. It also has much support found in scripture. So it is not the dichotomy that we like to believe it is.

For me however, the division occurs with abortion. I can’t support taking the life of “the least of these”. So I vote accordingly. But I am under no misguided belief that my vote is a perfect expression of my Christian principles. I merely attempt to do the best I can. Until I am offered a better choice.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1575245)

Support for the poor is NOT.a "liberal" thing. Conservatives routinely give more for charitable causes than liberals. Liberal "support for the poor" is code for more taxes, welfare, and bloated bureaucracy. The liberal wants charity and alms to be a mandated goverment program rather than a personal act of charity and almsgiving.

Meanwhile, modern liberals are full blown bolshevik communists and so called conservatives are Trotskyite communists. Two wings on the same filthy bird. [Bird poop is bird poop] whether it's from a pidgeon or a woodpecker. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1575237)

Needless wars kill citizens just like abortion does. Both policies kill by the thousands.

Both parties have blood on their hands. Neither is innocent.