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I agree... if he accused her publicly of adultery, and she didn't commit adultery, she has a right to seek restitution.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

This would explain why Fogarty's lawyer, Barbara Marschalk, is an Atlanta attorney

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

My bad this is all in Geogia ... Macon ....

I've confused Houston county with the city of Houston ... which is Harris County

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Fogarty is the Georgia District's #2 man ... General Secretary ... and sits on the UPCI's 15 man Executive Board.

http://www.gadistrictupc.com/ME2/Sit...FF8FA38D935863

But still might explain the emergency meeting at HQ

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

This ain't no podunk pastor folks ...

Fogarty also sits on the board of Tupelo Mansion:

http://www.mansionkids.org/v/about/a...pleteBoard.pdf

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Angela's story as told by SpiritualAbuse.org

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experi...k_fogarty.html

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Seems Angela went through the proper channels after going to the pastor directly then writing a letter to the Georgia District Supt Wheatley and board ... and did not get any action.

According to the Spiritual Abuse page ....

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Angela Drivers official court complaint here:

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/PDF/driver_complaint.pdf

Verdict here: http://www.13wmaz.com/news/PDF/driver_verdict.pdf

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

sounds very much like she was heading in a direction of doing fornicating ,whether she had or not at this point .
didnt mean he had a right to divorce her yet ..would i be mad if my wife went swimming with another man ,in a bikini ,, you better belive it ,, they both better run fast ,if i caught them .

what else would you think ,would you think would be going on if she was brave enought to do that .. morals are almost a thing of the past with many foolks i fear. she didnt respect her husband very much doesnt appear either. \

had to be a rough marriage with 2 people going in different directions.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Obviously this was not handled well.
:girlytantrum

No to the bikini----- period; and of course not with another man---

No to the husband flirting with the pastor's daughter, although it could
be that she was the instigator in the relationship.

No to the public sermon using names.

No to the district or pastor for not apologizing or retracting comments.

No to the quickie wedding.

This is one of those situations that a good Lutheran or Methodist would know is not proper. It shouldn't be part of the UPC_______________but people are people regardless of their church label.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

I was "called down" by my pastor when I was dating my wife! We had just rented a house together and I had moved all of her stuff in being that we were to be married the next weekend. We went to the JP since it was a second marriage for us both. The pastor had just been voted in for about a month and had no clue about our past or our future. He was just told that we were living together. I told him I was old enough and mature enough that I could be in the same house with a woman and still keep my pants on!!!

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

You apparently missed that she went swimming with her friend and her friends husband while in the bikini. I'm sure that was going to lead to fornication, maybe even a threesome... NOT

EDIT: Actually I misread that one. It doesn't say if she was alone with the friends husband or not. I assumed the friend was there. You are assuming that she was not.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Well, ya got trouble with a capital T, which rhymes with P, which stands for Pool!

Of course to this pastor merely wearing a skirt above the knees constituted adultery (and bestiality and child molestation and a list of other things). I suppose if I were to post some recent pics of us in the Dominican Republic some would accuse me of pimping her out. (And no, I will not post the pics themselves here.)

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Reminds me of the niece of one District Superintendent who reportedly ran down the hotel hallway .... stark buck naked .... during a certain conference a few years back ...

I am sure it was not tagged as "fornication"

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

And it's another thing entirely to exaggerate and willfully deceive with your "accusations" from the pulpit. According to this report, the preacher simply lied.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Haha, and why did she do that? I wish I could have seen all the reactions!

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The Executive Board member lied, according to this report.

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:bliss

I'd have to query a former church member for that answer as to her why ....

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

You should... then again if you did ask that shed probly wonder why your mind was in the gutter with ya thinking about streaking girls :P JKJKJK

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

I wonder who filed for divorce?? Mr. or Mrs. Driver?

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Personally, I am more concerned with the scandal your own appearance caused.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

How do you know those beautiful legs are actually mine? I could have scanned in a post card from the gift shop.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Sounds like some folks had some issues.It's one thing to preach agains't things the bible names as sin,but somethings would be better dealt with in private.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

There's one even more scandalous of Renda ... on FB
:bliss

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

What difference does it make which daughter it was?

Bro. Fogarty made a huge mistake, but was always known to be a good man...a close friend of my brother. I met him only once at the funeral of my nephew.

Let us pray for all involved...this is not a happy time for anyone.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

I would agree that bestiality and adultery and child molestation (and the other things she was accused of) are all sins.... But wearing swimwear or a skirt above the knees (for women) hardly falls into "splitting the gates of Hell wide open" territory.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

A picture is on their church site ... and name listed on the Spiritual Abuse site and she is mentioned in the story and in the legal documents .... and her business being discussed in this thread by various posters who I can list ...

was asked a question and answered to the best of my knowledge.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

I agree.

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Oh yes and the fact that she didn't "SUBbbbb-mittt!" which is of course said with a bit of spit flying out of the mouth. Obviously she was married to a man who went to this church. Would she be there otherwise? We don't know but the ties were there at the time.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

:thumbsup

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:thumbsup

Too ... She is not guilty of slander....

I did not even bring up the issues of potential flirting pre-divorce ... I can list them if you like ....

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

It didn't sound like *friends*--it said a friend's husband. That's inappropriate in my book. If the girlfriend had been present, it might not have been so bad. The most they could have complained about was the bikini.

Either way, I think the pastor was way out of line and the lawsuit was justified, as far as the accusations of adultery, prostitution, bestiality, etc. go.

I'm just not willing to give the woman a free pass simply because the pastor was a big meanie. :coffee2

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

The news story simply states mutual friend saw her according to the pastor's accusation ... it does not state the setting ... how many were there ... if she had some type of covering over her.

The bikini story is not even verifiable ... or documented unless its in the court testimony as being acknowledged by the complainant.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

And why would you do such a thing? Is there anything to be gained? Is it any of our business?

"Whatsoever things are of a good report..."

It may be true, but is it of a good report...try thinking of THOSE things.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Sister Brattified I agree.

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The report is on the this thread of those posters who brought into question the possibility/innuendo of a relationship prior to the divorce ...

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
 

Amen. Conjecture and obsession are not benificial.

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Yeah. I saw this one. Sad. Truly sad.

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Yeah, I know. Just "IMHO." I feel badly for the girl and her erstwhile beau. If they had some common sense leadership they would have been spared all of this. All it seems they were wanting to do was to quietly start a new life together without fingers being wagged in their faces. "Daddy" took charge of matters in the typical fashion and the whole thing became national news.

Unfortunately, these are the types of things that happen all the time. If the UPC would (finally!) embark on a program of training its ministers then we wouldn't see the leadership positions filled with a bunch of redneck yahoos running herd over THE LORD'S heritage.

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I agree with pel--leave the rest of the family out of this. There is absolutely no reason to associate them with this thread or news report. And that includes the new Mrs.

I've seen quite a few relationships over the years dissolve, and in several cases one or both spouses remarried very quickly. In fact, I believe I read a statistic one time that stated men are more likely to remarry quickly after a divorce or becoming a widower.

The implication that the pastor's daughter and the husband had an inappropriate relationship prior to the divorce is completely uncalled for, IMO.

Bottom line: The wife acted inappropriately, IF she was at the pool in a bikini with a friend's husband, especially if the friend wasn't also present. Even if the friend was present, there could still be some valid points raised regarding her behavior. Obviously, that simple act doesn't constitute fornication or adultery. However, to be fair, the article stated it was "one of the reasons" the pastor gave. I would personally like to know the other reasons.

Also, the pastor is guilty, mostly, of being WAY too vague. He addressed the whole issue of fornication, and went into a large definition, linked it to adultery, and then failed to state *which* act AD was guilty of. That is seriously bad judgment on his part, and it's basically why she won the case. Since he didn't specify which act she was guilty of, he effectively accused her of all of them in the eyes of the court. I'm thinking that he felt he needed to, since it was his daughter that wanted to date the newly divorced husband. Interesting that he didn't make this slanderous statement until well after the divorce was final.

Although I don't think we should sue one another over issues like this, I think the lawsuit was justified. Hopefully he'll try to be more prudent the next time he encounters this sort of situation. If the woman was guilty of immodesty or bad judgment, that could be addressed. To turn it into full-fledged sexual immorality and deviance is beyond the pale. Even if it was suspected, without evidence, you simply can't pursue the matter.


By the way, it was 7 months from the date of the divorce to the date of the new marriage. 3 months after the divorce, the pastor made the statement that the wife had committed some type of fornication and then said that his daughter and the ex were going to be romantically involved.

"According to the lawsuit, Fogarty made a statement about Driver in front of the congregation during a Tuesday night service July 25, 2006, before announcing that his daughter, Carrie Fogarty, and Driver’s ex-husband, James Driver, “were going to be romantically involved.” Carrie Fogarty and James Driver later married in November 2006, the lawsuit stated. Angela and James Driver had divorced in April 2006."