Absolutely. (And if it sounded as if I implied that, I am sorry...I did not.)

I think everyone has their own personal convictions and I think those are the ones you need to keep in check, per se. There are things that I do not necessarily believe is right or wrong, but some of those things I have a personal conviction about and stay away from.

You have joined the exclusive club that a couple of the others around here belong to... the FULL OF HOOEY club. Your posts are so grossly biased and full of vitriol towards all that birthed you that you should go stand in front of a mirror and slap your self until all that HOOEY runs out your nose!:santathumb

I find the majority of your posts to be grotesque and perverted portrayals of Pentecost born in a mind that is either scarred by past wounds or willfully deceived.

Aaron and Vonnie are my daughter and son in law's music pastors.. that is why I can talk like that :) Plus Vonnie is my sister and Aaron is my brother and I was roommates with Marlon Salazar whose dad was AA's Bishop at one time so I REALLY have the right to talk like this. :D

Have a nice day! :D (more pentecostal psychobabble - you figure out what it means)

loves me some KC and A & V are so awesome...when is VL's newest project going to be released?

I know that she has been working on it with a well known producer (Mano Hanes). They were supposed to start shopping it around to different labels. Thanks for reminding me...I am going to ask her that on Saturday.

You can mess with Phil Jones, but don't mess with Phil Jones' Kids. lololol:christmasjig

The bible does speak about shunning people.

actually, i know them very well, aaron is related to me. i've known them all my life. bet you didn't know that did you...lol, there actually great, i wasn't attacking them, and why are you so defensive? I'm not attacking you or anybody. By the way, the UPC didn't birth me. Ha Ha Ha, got U!:rudolph

Huh! How can Vonnie be your sister and Aaron your brother? By the way, I was responding to Sandra and her comment. I was not commenting on Vonnie. I'm still trying to figure out why you have such a quick temper and jump to conclusions.

Not true. I have some personal convictions that are mine and mine alone, that God has talked to me about in prayer, but I don't share them with others, nor do I try to push them off on other people. Personal convictions are precisely what they sound like: personal. e.g., between me and God.

It can also mean that it is how I understand a particular scripture, and I acknowledge that others may interpret it differently, therefore my interpretation and subsequent practical application is a personal conviction.

I think Vonnie feels comfortable abiding by the dress code and all that goes with it- hair bun, long skirt, etc. and i think she gets a certian respect especially from the Black church community for it. In their churches, The Mothers, missionaries & evangelist often do not wear pants and makeup and are held in hig regards.

I can explain it.

I'm not going to explain it here though, and the reason is this;

Those who have left the outward separation behind, for the most part, don't want it back, even if they are finally taught why it's important.
It's considered bondage to them. It just becomes a battle of words.

My question is this... Why are most (not all but most) liberals who once practiced the outward separation, quite defensive and harsh when they hear of people who might actually want to embrace it? Why does that discomfort them?

I can't speak for all but for myself I am not "defensive" I just feel that the vast majority of the time what is considered "personal convictions" in old time Pentecost is really psychologicial conditioning.

When people are told repeatedly that certain things are wrong and see those who violate those prohibitions looked on as "not right with God" then of course they will have so called "personal convictions" about them.

I don't mind if people do that but I am not going to lie and say I think it is right or something it is not.

I don't think most liberals are defensive and harsh, some maybe. I don't think most care that much. I do admit that I think it is silly to go skiing in a skirt, but I'm not defensive or harsh about it. :)

:horn WOW, just got in from the concert of the century! It was unbelievable! Over 2000 present (Eastwood was maxed out!!). Choir was awesome, Soloists unmatchable, Decor- first class, everything was top notch. Then Kurt Carr comes in.....He blew me away! I knew that this was going to be great, but this exceeded my expectations.

There was a very deep anointing in that house tonight. Those folk were very sencere and very anointed! KC is a great showman, but he is used of God! Yes, he is definetly used of God. I left very encouraged and ministered to.

On top of all of that...Many were healed tonight and several were filled with the Holy Ghost! We had an 'outpouring'. Folks were 'praying through' everywhere! Isn't that what it's about!

I have NEVER been to a concert, much less a Christmas concert like that one! :horn

Praise the Lord for the good report. I know Nakkita was coming in....any of the other singers? Run down the concert....details!!! I can't wait until Saturday to find out everything.

Nakita--that girl can evermore sang!!

Tamanee--She is the bomb! Also, VERY pregnant. Eight month I think, still she rocked!

Vonnie---nuff said!

Those three where Kurt's back up. He also had his keyboard guy and his bass guy. Band was really awesome. THe choir also backed them up on most all of the songs. They were awesome.

Vonnie sang, Nikita sang "Little Drummer Boy" and added some beat boxing at the end! WOW! Then, Tamanee sang two songs I think. Bro. Ewing sang "Ill Be Home For Christmas" and Taylor, Matt, and Vonnie backed him up on "Oh, Holy Night". Then when Kurt got up there....no more Christmas, He had church!

I am a musician and singer, traveld with LA Allstate, know alittle about music. I have an appreciation for good music and quite a discriminant ear...THis concert blew me away! Best, I've been too in .... EVER! (NO-I'm not bragging, just trying to qualify my excitement):santathumb

Wow, you mean the H.G. moved with a trinitarian singer? And backup singers who wear pants? I am SHOOOOKKKKEEEEDDDD!!!!

Shoot! Thats not even a blip on God's radar screen.

We elite OP's are the one's who get all worked over such things.

Let's all call on God and let him know how wrong it for him to move in and on non OP's :horn

Right! You tell him. :)


Love you Thad!:horn

:scripture

What a minute! How judgmental can you be. God is NO repector of persons, and He responds to praise, no matter who it's from!

And by the way.....NO ONE on the platform had on pants! or excessive Jewlery. They were very respecful of the standards of that church!

I for one could care less what you wear, red socks, green stockings, open toed shoes, etc. In our church we have all kinds; uncut hair, cut hair, lipstick, unlippedsticks, pants, skirts, etc. You get the point, anyway, we do see it as learned behavior, but of course there is nothing wrong with that.

My point is don't go around telling everybody else their souls are hell bound if the don't hold to that value system. I agree both sides of the isle need to chill out.

Quoting Bro. Rodney "can't we all just get along?"

I believe they said that TIC!

Really, even from the unsaved? Wow, this is great! Do you think Kurt Carr is saved?

Be careful catch 22 approaching...

Not meaning this in an ugly way, but to me it is sad that we seem to have to look outside of our doctrinal ranks to find someone who can "blow the roof off".

Please define "excessive jewelry" and don't leave out any details! Gold, bling, diamond watches, necklaces, rings, earrings, nose rings, I can't wait to find out, please tell me!

I am not the judge as to who is or who isn't saved! And yes, I believe if you call on the Name of Jesus, He is there. But, there were MANY 'saved folk' there last night, I assure you!

HA HA HA, you are awesome...I was thinking, they sure were excited about the service, even if it was a trinitarian singer.lol

Danger...double talk approaching...

No, as far as I am concerned, the UPC has the best! I mean that. We are blessed and favored of God in the area of talent. However, we are NOT the only one who has smoke coming out of our stack...nor do we have a corner on God!

Good for you that's the attitude...I'm still waiting on the jewelry...

If you call on the name of the Lord and he is there, will he save you? Just wondering.

The only jewelrey I saw last night was a few rings, and the Bass player had a necklace on. The rings were on Nakita and Tamenee (Back up singers). But, I was very impressed with there control. Kurt had NONE on. Eastwood folks don't wear rings or any other jewelry.

That's great, I'm just curious does eastwood teach against wedding rings too?

Of course he will, if you allow Him to.

I know that ME doesn't make a big deal about that, but, it is known that you don't on the platform or in leaderhship. When my wife and I were married, (she is from Eastwood), we did not exchange rings at the ceremony. ME doesn't do that. In her respect for him, she didn't want rings to be a part of the ceremony. We put them on after.

You're a great sport, you know I'm just messin with you. I'm really happy that the church was able to move beyond its borders and embrace Kurt. It's a great start towards healing the great divide.

May I refresh your memory with your post above??

You're not "just wondering" you're looking for an argument.

I don't think you're going to get one though.

And I think the comments that have come after my post have more than proven that many liberals are harsh and defensive... but if outward things mean nothing whatsoever to God, you're defensive over nothing. So, why are you defensive at all? It's no skin off your nose if a lady wishes to keep their hair long and uncut... it's no skin off your nose if a man isn't wearing his shorts above his knee.... it's not going to send anyone to hell to not cut their hair so why are you so defensive when people might actually want to embrace what you left? It shouldn't matter a lick to you.

It was actually a really beautiful expirience. There were folks from every denomination and stripe of life worshipping together and rejoicing together. I was very moved at the power that was present. I know many are wondering why would a UPC church allow a trinitarian on the platform. But, there were bridges built last night, that I believe will help us tomorrow! I am not talking about comprimise either.

I am not aware of any UPC singer that draws as much of a crowd as does this mainstream Kurt Carr. But, you know I stand by my posts, I believe they are explained well!

Thanks

Well, there is nothing wrong with compromise. That word has been misused in the great UPC. Jesus prayed to His father that those who came after Him would be one as He and His Father were one. If the body of Christ would ever learn to put their differences aside for the sake of the Gospel, we would not be able to contain the anointing.

I am happy for you and your church to finally move past decades old division and embrace the unity of God...How beautiful it is for brethren to dwell together in unity.