Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1602951)

In regards to "proper baptism" we need to account for this:

Acts 22:16 KJV
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Who does the "calling" here?

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1602950)

God will judge people by the Word.

Miracles and great deeds do not earn salvation:

Matthew 7:21-27 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: [25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. [26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1602954)

The rebuke is about “work iniquity”. The illustration about the rock is about the teachings from Matt 5 to 7, which touches righteousness, holiness, prayer, faith, etc...

You can make a point that it applies to Oneness vs Trinity and baptism formula believed as the traditional passed down dogma (not the false teachers actually coming up with it) but still, the immediate context is not about that.

Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1602948)

When you read church history, it is hard to say what you are saying. You hear people persecuted, receiving the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues, great miracles among them, even resurrections, practicing holiness, and many martyred, yet still baptizing in the titles and believing in the Trinity.

There are three camps in Apostolic Pentecostal groups regarding that:

A) God will judge people by what they know
B) It can't be told what the destiny of those cases are. We trust God with those cases that He will do what it is right. We don't gamble, so keep preaching the truth, and defending it, that if you believe in Christ and you obey Acts 2.38 you will be saved.
C) If they believed in Christ and repented and all that, but they didn't complete Acts 2.38, they are in Hell, regardless of whether they heard the truth and rejected or they didn't hear the truth.

The majority of people I know echo David Bernard position, which is B. I have never heard in person or in book authors of position A by nobody in Apostolic circles. I have heard of the position C basically here in AFF.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1602951)

In regards to "proper baptism" we need to account for this:

Acts 22:16 KJV
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Who does the "calling" here?

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness (Post 1602999)

Paul called the name of the Lord but it is apparent Ananias did as well at Paul's baptism Acts 9:19.
It take the faith of the convert and the invocation of the name of Jesus by the baptizer.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1603000)

Acts 9:17-19 KJV
And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. [18] And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. [19] And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

I'm not seeing any mention of Ananias calling on the name of the Lord over Paul at his baptism in that passage. Can you elaborate? I want to get into the issue of the two respective duties of baptizer and baptizee.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness (Post 1603020)

As a Christian Ananias (if he indeed baptized Paul) would have invoked the name of Jesus over Paul without question. That specific scripture text would not need to identify it.

Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1603002)

In the book of Acts, what I see is that "in the name of Jesus" in the context of doing something was indeed mentioned by the one doing the work, because it means to act in behalf of, with the authority of, and the one affected by or receiving the work needed to know the authority being used.

Acts 3:6 (NKJV) 6 Then Peter said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.”