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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1113009)

He existed but NOT as President Jesus existed NOT as Son but as God.

nicely said:thumbsup

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1113009)

He existed but NOT as President Jesus existed NOT as Son but as God.

Pardon, but I follow the gist of that, but the particulars are a little confusing.

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1113031)

Pardon, but I follow the gist of that, but the particulars are a little confusing.

he is confused.

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

It seems to me that folks here are really saying the same sort of things for the most part ,but are describing it in different ways.

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1112991)

God stood with the Son on the Mount of Transfiguration from eternity past Prax....though to us it was an event that would only one day happen in time. .

Huh? what verse is that?

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1112992)

Oh ye of little faith. God LIVES in every second that ever was and will be NOW. Therefore from an eternal perspective God has, and will always... exist in union with the Son.

Oh ye of little intelligence and big mouth, how about just answering the question?

That God lives in ever second does NOT prove to me the Son Eternally existed WITH God. Again you are making a quality statement about God not about the Son. Therefore all we can say is God exists in every time frame past, present and future.... If God exists in the same time frame the Son came into being (assuming your argument not mine) then that tells me the Son existed WITH God in THAT time frame not before...

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First, God is bigger than the Logos garbage. God laughs at Logos theology too.

ROFL....wow I am impressed by your attempt at style over substance.

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And yes... we are all eternally existing before God. God knew you before time began Prax... not as a seer or psychic who peers down through time to see you... but as one who existentially beholds you as a present reality before Him. As with Jeremiah... God knew him and ordained him a prophet to the nations before he was born.

Knowing about something before it comes into existence does not mean it already exists before existing. That is absurd. Be careful now, you are moving into Eastern religion and Mormonism (reincarnation and incarnation of God's spirit children)

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1112993)

And Prax... even as we speak... to God... YOU are seated with Christ in Heavenly places. Time is merely the revelatory unfolding of God's reality as perceived by temporal beings. To God... it's all before Him... and it's all behind Him.

Seating with Christ now does NOT mean I existed before I was born. That is rank Mormonism

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 1113006)

I agree

That is why we can say God is the same yesterday, today, and forever......and since this is the case, we can also say God exists in the past, present, and future.

But that does not mean, as Aquila argued it, that even though the Son comes into existence at the incarnation he eternally existed with God (not because he has alwasy existed but because God is in every time past, present and future

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1113009)

He existed but NOT as President Jesus existed NOT as Son but as God.

\That is what I have been saying...so then NONE of the poll answers suffices