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[QUOTE=Esphes45;1330850]You just made a profound statement and I don't think you realize it. WE WERE TAUGHT, but where in scripture does it actually say this? Christ gave us one commandment, love God with your whole heart soul and might, and love your neighbor as your self, upon these two hinge ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS. We can count this as one or two commandments, either way it does not matter. The point is that this is the law of Christ.

When we quote John 14:15, or John 15:10 as plural commandments is where we go astray. Opening the door for performance based teachers to begin to add an array of perceived manmade commandments.

"That is my whole point about Dispensationalism vs. Covenant Theology. Depending on what side you fall on, the rules you should obey now from your Father in heaven are different"

There really is no difference in the rules as you put it between the dispensationalist and Covenant theology, if there seems to be a difference it is not because of what one believes in prophecy. Albeit most performance based teachings are found in those that are dispensationalist.

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[QUOTE=Godsdrummer;1330937]You lost me. Here's why:

A. John 14:15 - There is an S on commandments. Meaning there are more than 1 commandment.

B. 2 Corinthians 4:5 - If you believe this to be true then you have to consider what the Apostles preached. Acts 2:38 sounds like a commandment to me from God.

C. If you go to this link - http://www.faithbibleonline.net/Misc...ne/DispCov.htm

It lists the difference between the 2. Carefully look at 19, 25 & 26. That causes you to come to 2 completely different truths. To a Dispensationalist, don't even mention the old testament to me. But to the Covenant theology people the old testament still has some meaning.

You pointed out yourself that Dispensationalists believe in being saved by works (following rules) whereas Covenant theology people do not. If that does not change things I don't know what does.

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[QUOTE=Esphes45;1331247]Look up the greek word in John 14:15 the Greek word is not plural, but singular, the "s" was added. The same with verse 21, where the translators used the particle "them" it can also be "it".
Of course I don't expect you to accept this, but where in all of Christ teachings does he speak of any other commandments of Christian living.
As for the salvational plan, Acts 2:38, that is a once for all commandment, not something we continue to keep, as a commandment of Christ in Christian living.
Even John writes, "for this is the message you have heard from the beginning that we should love one another", and "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death".
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment".

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bump

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Wow this was started long ago. :nod

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ya, there's some good stuff back there :D
they both water down that suffering is required, imo

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How?

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oh, by legalizing it. dunno if i could explain. dispie tends to be just more judgemental, and kingdom/covenant seems to emphasize something more relentlessly upbeat

Anything legalized is bereft of self denial. Even self denial can exalt self.