Re: What is the young UPC preacher waiting for?
 

Brrrrrr!!!! Does anybody else feel the sudden Canadian chill in here? Why it must be 50 degrees below zero.

I must say that despite all of the efforts made to convicne me that UPC and the like folks are not caught up in tradition or backward it always seem to come out in the wash that many still are.

Ron is the perfect case in point. Here is a man who is a longtime poster. Usually a picture of moderation and reasonableness but today his true concerns over what he thinks are the ills of the 21st century Pentecostal church have come out - fog and lights in any services even if just special Youth meetings, etc!

Re: What is the young UPC preacher waiting for?
 

That's your opinion!

You just broad brushed a pretty big one yourself saying fog machines and strobe lights have no place in worship.

You seemed to have changed somewhere along the way, Ron.

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Some things we will never see alike..lights or no lights...however if the basic´s are right could we not rejoice that others CAN feel the Holy Ghost in different circumstances?

Apostle Paul was a wise man.
1 Corinthians 13
Love
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Re: What is the young UPC preacher waiting for?
 

Yes I have changed.
Unfortunately this board has changed as well.

You have wondered why people have left, are leaving, or are wary at coming back, it is because you are not allowed another opinion unless it is a liberal one.

I stated a comment about those things mentioned above about not having a place in an Apostolic worship service---and every body takes it personal.

Once more one can not discuss nor have an opinion to the contrary if one is to post here.

Someone told me this board would end up in this place.

I chose not to believe them.


Alas, I was wrong.

Re: What is the young UPC preacher waiting for?
 

It is pretty broad, because I feel it has no place in a Worship service.

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Just one simple question.

Why do we have to accept your opinion and other's opinions aren't welcome?

You stated a fact as your opinion - others have stated a fact as their opinion - isn't that how it works?

No one has said you are not worshiping God if you don't allow fog machines and strobe lights, yet you have said churches that have them AREN'T worshipping God. Do you not see the difference there?

Note: You bashed one of your own UPC churches so this isn't a con/lib situation.

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I have found out I can feel the spirit in many different ways of worship...

I sat in a ladies meeting in the Phillipines and the ladies sang, My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean...
I don´t know how that fit in but they sang it and I worshipped...

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Mrs LPW, I did not know this was your Church.
Your Pastor is a wonderful man of God.
I enjoy his teaching & have used parts of it in the past.

Let my opinion not be a reflection on your Church or your Brothers & Sisters.
I did not see this post earlier as I have been in and out, as we went to a Church Blessing.

Again accept my apologies as you and perhaps others were offended.

I will drop the subject now as I do not want to stir things up or to be taken out of context again.

God Bless!

Ron

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Simply put is when Opinions get taken personally.
I will leave it there as I do not want to stir things more than they have already.

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Ron,

You absolutely have the right to state your opinion on AFF. You just better be prepared to defend it. Especially when it is pretty indefensible.

I don't want to go to every service and have it a concert atmosphere with complex lighting and fog effects.

However for special services or even special songs within a serivce it can be effective at setting a mood or atmosphere just as certain kinds of organ music do the same.

To just out and out state special lighting and fog effects have no place in any church service is a broad statement that is absolutely going to come under question.

Doesn't mean its not allowed here or we don't want you here though. If you want to state the sky is green and the moon made of cheese you are welcome to.