Apostolic Friends Forum - Can Women Pastor ?

"Pester" away, makes no difference to me. When you constantly deride well known terms such as "epistemology," etc., it only reveals your own lack of studiousness.

And for about the umpteenth time now, I'll say that I'm well aware of the historical/cultural aspect of Scripture. Problem is, you'll get a myriad of opinions as to what that is, since 1st century records are so scanty. I shy away from those who render the plainess of a verse such as I Tim. 2:11-15....making the Word of God of no effect. That's all I'm saying.

Where do I begin? :ursofunny

I didn't "deride" the word "epistemology," I chuckled at YOU. You amuse me in a weird way. (And I hope you weren't connecting "epistemology" to "epistles" either lol)

On the one hand, you recognize the historical/aspect of Scripture, and on the other you seem to think you can interpret a Text without it. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Jeffrey

01-22-2010 02:04 PM

Re: Can Women Pastor ?

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 868847)

Well said, now then, I'm still waiting on your biblical example of a NT "woman preacher":__________?

Well, conveniently, you ignore the whole message of what I said, and zone in on your canned responses (same way you treat the Text).

You keep wanting to inject your own definition as to what preaching is, by saying "it's when one expounds from the Text." That's not accurate in the least.

Jeffrey

01-22-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 868850)

More quotations from a woman I see. Why doesn't someone deal w/ "I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH....." I mean how much plainer does it get?????

Besides, the term "authority" still connotes the idea of "authority"......which is why it's translated this way, by approximately 1000 translators, Hmmmmm?????

Auto-pilot.
Don't listen to the scholar because she's a woman.
I used to think this was just your theology, but perhaps your theology also reflects your attitude toward women (in your case).

Jeffrey

01-22-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 868851)

How does any of this invalidate I Tim. 2:11-15, or I Cor. 14:34, just for starters? Do we believe ALL of the Word, or only some of it?

Again. 5 paragraphs of information and all she gets back is a canned response.

Are you really serious about interacting on this topic?

rdp	01-22-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by simplyme (Post 868876)

I hope to read it someday.
You make Bible sense. ;)

Thank you Sis. Good to see that someone on here can understand "I do not allow....."!

Blessings...................

Jeffrey

01-22-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 868905)

Thank you Sis. Good to see that someone on here can understand "I do not allow....."!

Blessings...................

:nah

"Good to see someone on here is so special and smart like me." :blah

rdp	01-22-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 868892)

Where do I begin? :ursofunny

I didn't "deride" the word "epistemology," I chuckled at YOU. You amuse me in a weird way. (And I hope you weren't connecting "epistemology" to "epistles" either lol)

Have you ever looked into the etymology of the term epistemology? Mu point is that there's very little metaphorical verses in the epistles. Some, but not very much, since they're pretty much direct instructions to the church.....inluding I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14:34!

On the one hand, you recognize the historical/aspect of Scripture, and on the other you seem to think you can interpret a Text without it. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Can you not read? Sheesh, I've "said what I mean" constantly! Or, do you think I "say what I DON'T mean"?????

Jeffrey

01-22-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 868908)

Can you not read? Sheesh, I've "said what I mean" constantly! Or, do you think I "say what I DON'T mean"?????

Context. That's a big hermeneutic word for you.

Read my remarks in CONTEXT.

In other words, don't tell me you see how historical-cultural context is necessary for interpret, and then give reasons why you won't use it and refer to this "plain meaning" of the Text. You're words are adding up here...

Jeffrey

01-22-2010 02:26 PM

Re: Can Women Pastor ?

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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 868908)

Have you ever looked into the etymology of the term epistemology? Mu point is that there's very little metaphorical verses in the epistles. Some, but not very much, since they're pretty much direct instructions to the church.....inluding I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14:34!

*looking for that confused animation*

rdp	01-22-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 868893)

I've repeatedly said [if you'd quit your attack mode for a moment & go back thru the various posts] that I believe that women can prophesy, which is a form of preaching, I suppose you could say. Sure! But prophecy is N-O-T an exposition from the Bible! When a woman does this, she violates I Tim. 2:11-15.....very clearly.

Furthermore, I'll just assume that you cannot provide the biblical example of the NT woman preacher, this should be easy enough for to do, since you believe in them.....surely there's at least O-N-E example.....right:_________?

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