Re: For My Own Eyes
 

You and Brad really need to read Romans. It speaks of two men: Adam and Jesus. Each one of us fall under these categories.

Just because you do not like that we have been born under Adam does not negate the fact nor does it concede that the sin/conscience dilemna is circular. The Law of procreation is each thing produces after its kind. If you were born of sinners, you will be a sinner.

The point in question again is:
If there is no ultimate Law giver, there can be no ultimate law.

In turn, the person who says, There is no absolute law. HAS ALREADY DENIED THE RULE WHICH WAS STATED. :)

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What you are essentially saying here is: Unless God becomes what I want him to become -- I will not serve Him.

I will list two problems with this line of reasoning:

1. If God became whatever you wanted Him to become, then he would have to do that for everyone. This of course is really not God (supreme being), but really a self made idol.

2. You request that God change for you. What you are really requesting is that you become the god and becomes the servant.

As C.S. Lewis stated, there are really only two types of people in this world. Those who say Thy will be done or those who say My will be done.

As a side note, I do understand that people have been hurt and deceived by religious leaders who propogate traditions more than the word of Life. Nevertheless, there is still one who says come and learn of me for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

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Well, none of this really matters, because after the fires of Hell purify you folks, you will be granted access to Heaven anyway. Just ask some of the UR believers around here. They'll tell ya.

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LOL, by coincidence my middle name is Lynn :D

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I am well familiar with both Romans and Hebrews, both of which discuss in depth the concept you are talking about. Knowledge is not the problem here, it's about believing it.

Logically I cannot reconcile these two thoughts; 1) we have free will, and 2) we are born with a sin nature and are incapable of not sinning

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You first would have to be made aware of your sin to even know you are sinning, Michlow. That means by the time you are aware that you are sinning it would be too late because you've arleady sinned.

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Remember when Roscoe had that fake fire hydrant and would place it next to the Duke boys' car? :D

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What are you trying to say, that God is like a scheming crooked sheriff?

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I don't quite understand your point here, could you elaborate?

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It looks pretty self explanatory to me, Sister. You said you can not reconcile having free will and being a slave to sin. I pointed out that by the time you even become aware of what that sin is, it's too late anyway, because you have already sinned.