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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 941973)

If the organization was condoning the behavior as a unanimous whole, then you would have an issue. Yet, contrary to popular hopes and wishes, not everyone who is a minister in the United Pentecostal Church International is looking to skin a saint from over the pulpit.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

As I stated when the thread first began, Angela's pastor stood up for her and he has also held office in the Georgia District. :thumbsup

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 941682)

I was at the GA District meeting when MF came back in 98 and took a church here and they put him up to preach. He preached a message, "A Method and Manner of Distinction". Most of it was fabricated and lots of false statements throughout. I took notes and could not believe what this man was preaching. He trashed everybody that did not subscribe to his version of standards. He is a politician and really worked hard to get his position as District Secretary. This is a sad commentary to a movement that allows men to "lord" over God's heritage and because he has a few books out and is a shameless self promoter - they put him in position. Some things never change.
In simple terms - His lies finally caught up with him and now someone will have to pay. She should have gotten a lot more than $500,000!
I cannot imagine what this lady has gone through in her community and her family with this trash talker justifying the character assassination of this lady that is still in a UPC church.
According to her ex-husband and others, she was not unfaithful and was not immoral or a fornicator. He simply wanted to move on and marry the daughter of MF. MF gave his blessings and justified the adultery by false accusations.
$500,000 for a lie and I wonder if he ever came down off his high horse and apologized to this lady? Living a double standard and lying will catch up with you eventually.
Now, I wonder what the GA District board will do about the District Secretary being a proven liar in a court of law?

I doubt anything. Brother Wheatly stood by Brother Fogarty.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

Regardless who stood up or for any man. GOD WILL NOT take the side of those that
do wrong, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE, GOD has seen the whole story from the
beginning to the present. Quality control of a product is to determine if that product
is able to stand in the "heat". Sometimes a "product" can be "repaired". There must be
corrections and then back to the "furnace" for another "test". If the product is then not
usuable, it is thrown into the "junk" or "trash" can! (referring to circuit boards.)

GOD sees inside the hearts and minds and knows the thoughts and intents thereof. He
knows the motives of all involved. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Also
the beginning of knowledge and understanding. The fear of man bringeth a snare (trap).
The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.
Prov. 29:25

Falla39

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 941829)

Yes, but the UPCI does seem to promote the self promoters and usurpers all too often. There are many good and decent men (and ladies) who actually work hard and quietly contribute without blowing their own horn all the time. These fine folk are the reason the whole structure hasn't been consumed already.

My whole UPCI experience was one long series of amazing events where I was continually baffled by how things would just get more and more stupid. Right when you thought that you had "seen it all" and nothing else could possibly happen that would be more lame, viola! Something (usually "someone") even more stupid would pop up and prove me wrong.

Pel, isn't at least part of our bafflement because we want to believe-sometimes need to believe, that those in religious leadership are people we can trust? Especially in Apostolic circles, when we have THE TRUTH... if we do, then how can someone in leadership be so wrong?

And you are right. There are many good and decent men and women in Apostolic churches. People who not only don't toot their own horns, but don't expect-and don't need or have-someone patting them on the back all the time. And I'm thankful for them.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 941973)

Even if its not unanimous it doesn't matter. If an organization promotes many such ministers to major leadership positions and if an organizations does nothing when such behavior comes to light then that organization is condoning such behavior. That organization may be condoning such behavior for what it believes is the greater good, but nevertheless it is condoning such behavior.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

"Not all Pentecostal churches are like this," Kennedy said. "You've got a pastor not in line with mainstream beliefs and practices. But that doesn't explain his conduct. What explains his conduct is that he needed to do a character assassination. The preacher did a hit job on Angela. It was a purification process of the future son-in-law to transfer his sins to Angela so that the congregation would support the remarriage."

"Kennedy said his case was helped considerably by the testimony of Angela Driver's ex-husband, James, who told the jury that he had "never accused her of sexual immorality, never thought she cheated on him." The stated reason for the divorce was irreconcilable differences."

Wow, the above really illustrates that this was probably all the pastor's idea--just to justify his daughter's marriage to Mr. Driver to the congregation. I wonder if the husband even knew in advance what his pastor was going to say in his "speech?" Somehow I doubt it.

The Daily Report article is much better and more detailed than the original link we were given. :thumbsup

"Trey Davis, the assistant pastor at her new church, testified that when he made a courtesy call to Angela Driver's old pastor to let him know she had found a new church, Fogarty slandered her again, saying she was a "compulsive liar" with a "spirit of a Jezebel."'

Typical.

It would be interesting to know how many couples have been forbidden to remarry under Fogarty's watch because they didn't divorce for permissible reasons. Or maybe...how many have been condemned because they remarried after an amicable divorce. :coffee2

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 942070)

The Daily Report article is much better and more detailed than the original link we were given. :thumbsup

Exactly! And hearing what James Driver had to say was VERY helpful for the readers. That cleared up a whole lot.

I pray for the members of Fogarty's church. So very hard to get over issues of mistrust. Very sad.

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

No one is suggesting every upci minister is waiting to tar and feather their saints. The powers which be condone this behavior by looking the other way. You have a deft skill of making issues where there are none.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 941973)

Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 938641)

There are specific step by step instructions for dealing with people in sin. Pastors should read them from time to time. Even heed them from time to time.

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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 944727)

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Thanks Mizpeh for bumping this ...

More court testimony from the despotic pastor ....

Quotes from Pastor Fogarty's testimony:

“The Biblical definition of fornication is not what our modern day dictionary says. Adultery is fornication, but not all fornication is adultery… Actually any sexual misconduct or behavior, married or unmarried. That is fornication.”

“Her clothes got tighter. Her hemlines got shorter …she wore improper underclothes,” and Fogarty added that he had his wife, Karen Fogarty, accompany Angela to shop for clothing.

“I am sorry Angela was hurt. But if you’re asking if I’m sorry I said she was a fornicator? No, I’m not. That is what I believe.”

“Maybe I shouldn’t have ever mentioned her name. I should have just said ‘James has the right to remarry' and left it at that.”

From the taped message of July 25, 2006: “If you believe the standard definition of fornication then you do not believe that that person is free to remarry. But if you believe the full definition, which covers things such as perverted sex acts or perverted sexual spirit, the scripture is very clear on this.” “And so fornication covers things such as homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, lust, exhibitionism, pornography, child abuse, harlotry, prostitution, solicitation of sex and so forth. It covers all these things. Now I have personal knowledge that I will not go into, that Angela has committed one of these acts…. I’m not going to give you any more information about it. I will tell you that there was some abuse in – in the marriage.”

Fogarty had no comment for the press after the trial. Barbara Marschalk, Fogarty's attorney, is stated to have issued a written response after the verdict, saying that she and her client were disappointed in the outcome and that they were reviewing possible appeal options. “We do not believe that the verdict is supported by the law or the facts, and in particular the law concerning the separation of church and state.” She felt further comment would be inappropriate.

It would appear then, from those reports, that a main basis of defense was that Pastor Fogarty had a right to his interpretation of the Bible and that the courts should not become involved due to the separation of church and state. It was also felt that what happened did not fall into the definition of slander per se and it was questioned whether a claim for slander with no proof of special damages could be sustained. If any of this does not reflect what happened in his defense, I encourage Pastor Fogarty's attorney to contact me so that it may be readily corrected.

(SpiritualAbuse.org)

If her own husband does not think she committed sexual immorality ... why does this man continue to say she has?

How does this man know about her underclothes? Seriously? You sent your wife to go shopping with her?

Surely he has defined a new doctrine for fornication and refuses to budge from it ... why haven't his elders stepped in to correct this?

IS TIGHT AND SHORT CLOTHING .... FORNICATION? ANYONE ON THE GEORGIA DISTRICT BOARD OR EXECUTIVE BOARD CARE TO RESPOND?
If none care to answer I will have to ask each one individually via email .... including the fellowship ... starting with the 188 ministers in Georgia.

This is a doctrinal and ecclesiastical issue.

Why use the word "abuse" when he spoke to the church congregation? Is there abuse, Pastor Fogarty? Surely you should report this.

By recognizing that he shouldn't have mentioned her by name ... and saying that he should have just said that James could remarry ... is exactly what this was all about ... isn't it?