Originally Posted by DAII (Post 941244)

Yes, I am going on what Kennedy stated in the article you linked.

He said the pastor tried to twist it to some kind of "spiritual" fornication.

Isn't fornication a work of the flesh?
While "spiritual" or figurative fornication - IDOLATRY- according to the Word?

Angela, being the former pastor's daughter adds a whole new dynamic to this, imo.

For the record, I don't believe Lois is lying. She had done an excellent job pointing out the FACTS to this story. Only pointed to it as a variable in the logic proofs I posed.

All things being true this becomes a serious doctrinal issue also.

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 941226)

How can a court of law prove "spiritual fornication"? Only God could possibly know if someone is spiritually fornicating.

Is "irreconcilable differences" a biblical cause for divorce?

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 941184)

With the record as it is ... granted Lois is not lying ... nor is this Angela's lawyer either ... also not knowing how long the Drivers were members at Rev. Fogarty's church ...

LET'S REVIEW:

- Mr. Driver, by all accounts, files for DIVORCE ON THE GROUNDS OF IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES. His ex-wife does not want the divorce but as no-fault divorce works she must acquiesce.

- Mr. Driver, within a handful of months, falls in love with his pastor's daughter whose father teaches that the only reason for divorce and remarriage is sexual immorality - specifically adultery.

- The future FIL and pastor announces the romance involving his daughter with Mr. Driver by prefacing his announcement at the church by slandering Mrs. Driver for "spiritual fornication" yet not given a specific reason but rather an open-ended menu of types of fornication such as beastiality and child molestation.

- Mrs. Driver sues for slander. The pastor then argues in court that this was spiritual fornication because Mrs. Driver, years ago, according to his SIL, wore a "bikini". It now is being reported that this was a one piece suit in which Mrs. Driver was bathing with a mutual female friend and her husband showed up. Mrs. Driver then left the pool.

If this be true ...

and Pastor Fogarty cannot produce any thread of evidence secularly or spiritually of fornication and Mr. Driver's court documented reason for divorce is IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES ...

keeping to this theological paradigm one must conclude that Rev. Fogarty illegitimately married his daughter, by all intents and purposes, with a "married" man ... or at least according to the apostle Paul

a man who should have "stuck it out" or if separated ... NEVER MARRIED.

QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED, IF WE GO BY THESE PARAMETERS :

Does the Executive Board of the UPCI, the Georgia District and First Pentecostal sanction polygamy and/or sexual immorality?

Will James Driver ever be licensed by the UPCI despite its policies?

Are we dealing with a situation in which a married couple had differences as to what it meant to be "in church" ... only to be cut off by her husband,her church family, pastor, et al.?

Does this now redine the UPCI's definition of fornication and/or reason for divorce to mean the wearing of immodest clothing?

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 941229)

:thumbsup I hope those days are gone.

I also hope all involved find forgiveness in their hearts for each other and are not consumed with bitterness and such. Our eternal destination is far too important to allow stumbling blocks like this to steer us off course.

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun (Post 941254)

Hmmmm! Apparently Mr. Driver has a thing for pastors' daughters. I wonder what will happen to the second marriage when/if Fogarty moves on and is replaced. Will pastor 3 = marriage 3?

Originally Posted by Blubayou (Post 941262)

I have read most of this thread and the information on the Spiritual Abuse thread and I find the whole ordeal so sad! It really grieves me to see this kind of thing happening in a church; and I know it happens all too often. I am conflicted in that - if the report we have is correct- what happened was wrong and unjust- but I hate to see dirty laundry aired for all to see. This kind of thing happens when we box ourselves into a corner of "Do right or get out" and leave behind the principles of extending grace and mercy. The disturbing trend I have observed is that we have lost our focus- spreading the gospel to the lost.

Originally Posted by Blubayou (Post 941262)

I have read most of this thread and the information on the Spiritual Abuse thread and I find the whole ordeal so sad! It really grieves me to see this kind of thing happening in a church; and I know it happens all too often. I am conflicted in that - if the report we have is correct- what happened was wrong and unjust- but I hate to see dirty laundry aired for all to see. This kind of thing happens when we box ourselves into a corner of "Do right or get out" and leave behind the principles of extending grace and mercy. The disturbing trend I have observed is that we have lost our focus- spreading the gospel to the lost.