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Proverbs 6:6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard;consider her ways, and be wise: 7 Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, 8 Provideth her meat in the summer,and gathereth her food in the harvest. 9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? 10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: 11 So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man

Preached on this last night. The ant is a diligent little creature who with the help of his fellow worker accomplishes great things in preparation for the winter ahead. Can you see analogy of the approaching winter and the coming of the Lord. P.S. ants don't seem to get distracted they are very focused on the task at hand.

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The issue is that the kingdom is not in full effect no win futurism. the kingdom does not come til Millennium, and Jesus is not on the throne of David until then. I believe it is in effect now and only gets bigger after the white throne. So if there is a time on earth when the kingdom is more full than now, after resurrection and before white throne, then we will not rise up as much as we could otherwise rise up due to thinking we can't.

The whole message I proposed was based upon David's throne being occupied NOW since the ascension 2000 years ago, which futurism patently denies. None of what I said between Psalm 2 and Acts 4 is true if Jesus is no on the throne of David already.

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We see the kingdom in effect NOW moreso than any futurist can. If Jesus is not on the throne of David NOW, then we are not in the kingdom NOW as much as I believe we are.

But again the logic you display is responded by me in saying you will always think it is yet to come, if indeed it is not. If we're wrong we'll easily recognize it. And ALL OF US should have a healthy consideration that we may be wrong, you too.

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I am VEEERRRYYY post trib. The trib happened 2000 years ago. lol. And the resurrection takes place 2000 years plus after that.

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The problem with this is I don't feel that Satan is bound and neither is this 1000 years of peace that Christ reigns on this earth. After 70 A.D. the world didn't get better, but instead it worsened. The catholic church developed all of it's heresy and the world entered what history calls the dark ages. Also before the Lord returns and the judgement takes place you can expect the earths conditions to worsen. You don't have to have the Bible to see this. Just read the news. I understand that Revelation is symbolic and may not be literal, but I don't see where we have experienced this symbolically.

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I agree that the kingdom of God is here. I call it the Church and I believe we are to possess far more authority then what we are demonstrating. I believe that the signs that followed the early church are still here, but people lack faith and consecration. As far as whether some of the prophecy's in Mathew have been fulfilled or not It is very recognizable that lots of the things in 70 A.D. were mentioned by Jesus in His prophecy.

The kingdom of God began far before the the cross. God has had a spiritual kingdom on this earth since it began. Jesus brought it to more light and tore the veil that hid it from so many in the world. This kingdom that belongs to God is in effect presently, but will one day receive it's reward in eternity to reign with our Lord Jesus for all eternity. As a futurists I look for his future return, but that doesn't take away from His Lordship over my life now. We are splitting hairs if we all look forward to the future return of the Lord and a resurrection day.Are maybe I'm too shallow in things to understand where you are coming from.

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I do not believe the devil being bound deals with that issue.

The truth is the Word says the strongman cannot be spoiled til he's first bound. Jesus said that. And Paul said in Col 2 that the devil was spoiled, necessitating that he was first bound. In fact, the binding of the devil that seems to not have occurred is not as strong a terminology as what Heb 2:14 stated was already done when it said the devil was destroyed. In other words, if the bible says the devil is destroyed and yet we see things that sort of don't agree with what we would think should exist if he's destroyed, then it's far less to say he's been bound. I think we just assumed incorrect things about such issues. After all, the devil works and yet Heb 2:14 says he was destroyed?

The overwhelming witness to tribulation being fulfilled and Matt 24's events done in the first century far supercede any assumptions we may have as to what we think the binding the of the devil should entail.

And think of it this way. Binding a dog on a leash allows for some activity but not as much as before the binding. Before the cross all nations were in darkness and one had to go to Israel for ant light at all. Since the cross Jesus told us to bring light to all nations! Things certainly changed.

Rev 20 never did say there can be no evil when the devil is bound, anyway.

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Do you believe Jesus is on the throne of David now? Is he on every throne now that he is ever going to sit upon?

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Yes I do.

Do you believe the devil and his angels are bound right now?

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Praise God. Well, you differ GREATLY with most futurists on that one.

Bound in the sense that they're limited now in comparison to the times before the cross. But they are still in the world. I've cast many many devils out of people.

One more question. Do you believe Heb 2:4 is fulfilled now as well?